I am passing this on to you because
it definitely worked for me and we all could use more calm in our lives.
By following the simple advice I heard on a Medical TV show, I have
finally found inner peace.
A Doctor proclaimed the way to achieve inner
peace is to finish all the things you have started.
So I looked around
my house to see things I'd started and hadn't finished,and, before leaving the
house this morning, I finished off a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of shhardonay, a
bodle of Baileys, a butle of vocka, a pockage of Prunglies, tha mainder of bot
Prozic and Valum scriptins, the res of the Chesescke an a box a
choclits.
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idr hou fkin gud I feal.
Peas sen dis orn to dem yu fee AR in ned ov inr
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Despite the little joke
Despite the little joke I've posted in this forum some time ago i would like to talk about an issue that sometimes bothers me a little bit when using the resources on this site. In my homecountry, there is no such thing as 12-step-groups, you either see a shrink or you don't. There are group therapy meetings on any kind of topic but they are always overseen by a shrink or a psychologist (in my country it's probably not that hard to get a prescription for psychological treatment healthcare pays for, that's probably why there are hardly any self supported 12-step - groups.)
I love this site and this fellowship and i wouldn't know what to do without it. Honestly.
My only problem is that I don't believe in any god/s or any other esoterical matters of believe, i prefer to approach my problem from a psychological/psychoanalytical angle, i know, that especially psychoanalysis is just a matter of belief, too (lots of unproven theories there.) . I am just not used to psychologists talking about religious matters. I think that most people over here would go see their ministers/clergy people if they are unsure about their religious believes or if they had the feeling that their HP lets them down from time to time ...
All I wanna say is that I sometimes have a hard time not being put off (is "repulsed" the right choice of word here? Probably not) by the many mentionings of a god in the 12 steps/12 traditions or in other spots of the PA-material. I know that it is not "required" to believe in a HP to be part if this great fellowship, and I'm thankful for that. But sometimes I get the feeling, that if I don't believe in any HP, I'll never get rid of my procr-addiction ...
I'm not criticizing any personal systems of believes, or anyone who kindly shares her/his relationship to her/his HP with me. Actually I'm flattered if you do. I'm just sometimes not sure, whether I'm in the right place here. Although I have that feeling with most aspects of my life ...
Can anyone relate to me? What do you think?
Constance
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"if i feel guilty about my procrastination, i will get LESS done, if i dont feel guilty, i will get MORE done." - Clement
Thank you all for your
Thank you all for your lovely replies! I feel much better about this issue of mine now!
I'll go with pro's piece of advice, and do it like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde :-D
"Higher power" can just be the better and wiser part of yourself.
Hope there's lot's of Dr. Jekyll in me today ... been Easter-shopping in the morning (I know, I still do the Christian holiday thing for my family, though I approach it more from a "heathen frugality" angle: Traditionally Easter-bunnies and eggs are all about Spring's frugal abundance, right?
Constance
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"if i feel guilty about my procrastination, i will get LESS done, if i dont feel guilty, i will get MORE done." - Clement
HP: To me the difference
To me the difference between 12 steps here and other things I've tried is that the whole idea of bringing in HP gets rid of the problem of the divided will. I will try to make a link to the discussion of that.
Dontwanna versus should---a conflict that just drains energy. Input from HP is the way around that.
hp's
I am with you, Constance. I need this site, without a doubt, but I believe that it is ME that I must rely on, have faith in, to keep fighting my mental afflictions! I try to 'reword' any quotes I read to make them apply to me, and I usually can. But, when it comes down to the basics, I really just try to let go and not think. Just do and enjoy the tactile sensations, and feel proud of my accomplishments.
I have been thinking about my response, and realized I left out one huge aspect - support. I get support from my husband and the people I love. Without that support, that positivity, then certainly my journey would stall. As for HP- it is different for everyone, what the HP is. And the peace and solidness I feel eminating from those who believe I gather around me. I am so very glad for those who have found their own HP, it lends support to my own beliefs.
And, of course, the end result is what (most) everyone thrives in....peace, kindness, positivity, calmness, all-embracing love.......
Nothing is worth more than this day - Goethe
no "god" here either, but I like 12-step
I don't believe in the religious myths, either. Still, I like 12-step. You don't have to believe in a god for it to work. "Higher power" can just be the better and wiser part of yourself.
Very religious talk grates on me a little, but I try to just ignore it. Live and let live!
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Procrastination is the grave in which opportunity is buried.
lol constance!
LOL, you know if had it in my house, those are things I would find easy to finish, funny how procrastination leaves me suddenly on some things!
I am glad you feel comfortable with the people here and I just wanted to encourage you in the idea that even though the site/12 steps is not familiar or beliefs are not shared. I too had no experience with 12 steps, other than in watching tv (which I share your love for watching by the way!)
Although I am a Christian and choose that as my main source of recovery, I found I needed the resources and tools and insight of the site and everyone here overcoming to actually learn how to get over all the avoidance I have in my life.
Maybe find a way to look at "HP" as something meaningful for you - maybe it is knowledge or clear understanding or a particular system to lean on. I think everyone here has their own way of interpreting what HP is for them. The key I think is in realizing you can't do it alone, to surrender the struggle and get on with the recovery in the way that works for you. Once you come up with the right idea for you then whenever you read anything with HP you can insert your own understanding.
I think we have a lot in common and really understand and appreciate your thoughts on this. Your posts and insights always inspire me and I am so glad to learn from you here in this fellowship! I may be almost brave enough to start a big projects list/post after seeing yours :-)
For constance - I'm not religious either
Hi constance,
I can relate! I'm not religious either. Like you, I can respect those who find the concept of a god or HP meaningful, but it's not part of my own life. I'm also not a 12-stepper, partly for that reason and partly because it's just not my cup of tea.
One thing I appreciate about this site is that people are very good about not trying to force their views on others, or insisting that there is only one "right" way or "real" way to change.
We don't have to have the same religious beliefs - or any religious beliefs - or even be working the same program to understand one another, share our struggles and triumphs, cheer one another on, and share the things that have worked for us. Those are the things that I value and benefit from here.
Falcon
thank you for your reply
thank you for your reply Falcon ... you're right, this group is very non-judgemental and very broad-minded. Everyone can feel accepted and safe here.
Constance
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"if i feel guilty about my procrastination, i will get LESS done, if i dont feel guilty, i will get MORE done." - Clement
ha!
:D
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fall down seven times, get up eight - japanese proverb
procrastinating by studying procrastination: http://www.procrastinators-anonymous.org/node/1114#comment-23050
lol constance
"It is never too late to be what you might have been." - George Eliot