Secular 12-steps and co-sponsor/buddy
Hi. I'm new both to PA and to 12-step programs generally and, though I really feel like the community here is a fabulous find for me, I'm realizing that there are two things that are missing for me. Perhaps I'm not the only one.
First, I know that AA and the other programs use mentors. Though I've never done a 12-step program, I've certainly found that having regular check-ins with someone is ENORMOUSLY helpful in other contexts. While I realize a lot of us here are still struggling, I would love to find a 12-step buddy (if not a mentor) with whom I could check in regularly (and vice versa) about progress...however, ideally, I'd like to pair up with someone who, like myself, is trying to adapt the 12-step program to be more secular.
Which brings me to my second point. While I know a lot of people find the higher power aspect of 12-step programs essential to their progress, one of the controversial points of 12-step programs has long been the explicit use of religion. A number of atheists/agnostics have successfully used these programs by reinterpretting the terms "higher power", "God", etc., but it isn't a perfect translation into the secular world. For instance, steps 3 and 7 (turning your life over to God and asking Him to remove your defects) are tricky where you see the human will as the ultimate determinant of action rather than an outside force. Ultimately I want to do the 12-step program as best as I can, but I do not want to do it in a way that feels inauthentic (emphasizing God's role in fixing my life), so I'd love to explore ways to reinterpret the program with likeminded others. Please note, however, that I fully support those who find God to be a critical part of their recovery...it just doesn't feel right for me as a non-theist/humanist.
To get started on possible ways to reinterpret, I found this secular/non-theist interpretation of the AA 12 steps, which I then revised.
1. We admitted our lives had become unmanageable and that procrastination/compulive avoidance has taken over.
2. Came to believe that the application of evidence and reason, as well as the support of our friends, family and community, a power much greater than ourselves, could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to thinking based on evidence and rational reasoning and to the wider support of our community.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to reality, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have the cold light of logic, evidence and reason remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly sought, through logic and reason, to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory by the application of reason, evidence and rational secular morality, and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through meditation, rational thought, and scientific evidence to improve our conscious understand of ourselves, to deepen our relationship with our community of support, and to foster the our individual growth and power to be the people whom we strive to be.
12. Having had an awakening as the result of these Steps, we tried to carry this message to procrastinators, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
- By crayon0 at 26 Aug 2009 - 11:45pm
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moved post
i moved this post to here: http://procrastinators-anonymous.org/node/2295#comment-32746
because it was about my theism, and seemed more appropriate there, rather than in this explicitly titled 'secular' post.
sry
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the touch of the master's hand: http://procrastinators-anonymous.org/node/1898#comment-27748
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Those are cool :)
Hi crayon0!
Those are cool! Thanks for sharing!
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Thank you, gals & guys, for being here!
If it works for you go for it
Do whatever works.
I don't know if it works...
Thanks for the comment...I don't know if it will work for me, that's kind of why I wanted to throw it out there and see if there was anyone else who has tried/is trying to reinterpret the 12 steps to be a bit more secular. I was hoping that this was an open enough community to discuss this. Is it? Am I the only one who for whom the religion part of the program doesn't resonate?
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Nothing is so fatiguing as the eternal hanging on of an uncompleted task.
~William James
Clarification
Quick question. What is the "relgion part of the program?" you are talking about?
Did I miss something? I never heard/saw of a religion part in the 12 step program. Where could I find it?
Thanks.
re: clarification
Hi. I'm not sure I totally understand your question/confusion... All of the 12 step programs have a strong emphasis on God -- turning one's life over to God, praying to understand God's will, asking God to remove one's defects, etc. The PA 12 steps listed under "meeting materials" reference God no fewer than 8 times and the 12 step workbooks that it appears many here are using contain daily prayers, references to the three spiritual gifts, etc. There's a lot more, but I don't think I need to belabor the point. Perhaps the use of the word "religion"was confusing? I don't mean a specific religion, but rather religious (i.e. belief in a God-creator who is watching over you, prayer, etc.) versus secular.
I think there are some wonderful aspects of the 12-step program, but as someone who is non-religious, I frankly don't know how to apply some of the steps in a meaningful but more secular manner--e.g. how would I go about turning over my will and life to the care of God (step 3)? This is the reason why I was hoping to find others who've tried to adapt the program themselves to be a bit more secular (this too, as I understand, is quite common in 12-stop programs, e.g. interpretting "higher power" to be the support of the recovery community rather than a God, using meditation versus prayer, etc.)
Hope that clarifies!
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Nothing is so fatiguing as the eternal hanging on of an uncompleted task.
~William James
Thanks
Hi C-ray,I thank you and thoroughly enjoyed all your shares. I hope I did not offend you in any way and I am sorry if I did. We all learn what works for us by asking questions.
Thank you. Just picking your brain. I am the first to admit that I do not have the answers. I have researched every reigion there was as well as atheism, divine intelligence, etc. They all seemed like they wanted me to either be "in" or "out" All I know is that I have seen and personally experienced miracles and continue to in 12 step programs- so for me whatever is here works- I use the word HP, as well as no words. I just "know" it is there. Maybe if you could get to some 12 step meetings and listen to real, undisputed miracles, it would help. A miracle of a "to do list", is sometimes subtle, but when you witness a change in a person where you can no longer even recognize them, that only could be called a miracle. It might be easier to tap into that power. It can even help finding a wallet. I use it all the time.
This article may be of interest:
October 22, 1941
ALCOHOLICS HOLD CLEVELAND DINNER
CLEVELAND, Oct. 7.- Perhaps the strangest testimonial dinner ever held in this city took place Sunday evening. Nine hundred persons, all of them formerly addicted to drink, paid tribute to a former New York broker and an Akron physician who together started the movement known as "Alcoholics Anonymous." Also honored were the women who introduced them and the first convert to the movement. So carefully guarded were the names of the participants that none appeared in news accounts. It was revealed that 16 northern Ohio groups were represented, that there are now approximately 6,000 members throughout the country, and that Greater Cleveland alone has 1,400 members who meet weekly in 18 units.
The leaders claim neither religious sanctions nor reform motives. Their success is based upon anonymity and upon the ideas that every confirmed alcoholic wants to quit drinking and feels a strong bond with other victims of the liquor habit. Each reformed drinker helps himself by locating and assisting another alcoholic to abstain completely.
Hi Crayon0
Welcome.
I'm glad you're sharing who you are and what you believe. What I do is if I read someone share's whom I connect with or have similar views or interests with, I ask them to be a buddy. You are not alone in your beliefs and there is absolutely nothing wrong with your beliefs.
There are so many different and diverse people in these 12 steps. What brings us all together is our common bond of procrastination....and our needing help.
I also know for me that being in a group environment brings up stuff for me from my past, and it's truly not easy for me. I hope you stay with us, keep being yourself and I hope you find what you are looking for in a buddy.
hope4meandu
♥"Kindness and truth have met, righteousness and peace have kissed." Psalm 85♥
This is a place of many
This is a place of many different opinions and outlooks, but what we share (ideally) is an ethic of mutual respect and support. Incidentally, there are also secularly oriented 12-step addiction programs (but you might already know about those). The important thing, as I see it, is that for those with theistic and non-theistic outlooks to focus on what works for them and not tell others what they should or shouldn't believe in. And when we see someone expressing their own experience in language that seems to us unfamiliar or not relevant to our own viewpoint, to not take it personally.
In short, absolutely bring up ideas like this. I'm very glad you're here and contributing.
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Want what you have. Be who you are. Do what you can. ~Forrest Church
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Show Up. Pay Attention. Speak the Truth. Let Go of the Outcome.
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From 12 & 12 This is my daily struggle as well:
, all you really need is a truly open mind. Just resign from the debating society and quit bothering yourself with such deep questions as whether it was the hen or the egg that came first. Again I say, all you need is the open mind."
We who had won so handsomely in a walk turned into all-time losers. We saw that we had to reconsider or die. We found many in A.A., who once thought as we did. They helped us to get down to our right size. By their example they showed us that humility and intellect could be compatible, provided we placed humility first